Path: ulcc.ac.uk!server3.netnews.ja.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!dimetrodon.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Kieron Dunbar Newsgroups: rec.games.roguelike.nethack Subject: Re: Dose Poor Munks Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 22:39:38 +0100 Message-ID: <3988951A.B47A861B@dimetrodon.demon.co.uk> References: <20000728115309.05413.00000605@ng-ct1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dimetrodon.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: dimetrodon.demon.co.uk:193.237.116.195 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 965252572 nnrp-14:24100 NO-IDENT dimetrodon.demon.co.uk:193.237.116.195 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 83 Xref: ulcc.ac.uk rec.games.roguelike.nethack:104201 Once upon a time, Lemming482 wrote thus: > See, uh, Willy wrote this, not me! >>rewarded: an object appears! Yah! Let's see what monks get! >> >>STING? >> >>WTF? >> >>STING?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?! > > Um....monks aren't supposed to use weapons either. Fists, baby! > (I think we need more artifact armor. live the gloves of defence in Slash'EM, Artefact armour would be nice, but remember that getting divine gifts is more reliant on patience than skill (I'm not familiar enough with SLASH'EM to say whether that's still true in that). Because of this, being able to give yourself the perfect set of equipment through sacrificing would be IMO inappropriate. I have had a go at making a useful, but not overpowered, glove artefact, though. I have written a patch to give monks a pair of artefact gauntlets of power that don't impede spellcasting, but I haven't tried playing monks much to test them and I haven't worked out how to make the patch program from DJGPP read file names from within diffs. With a little luck, there should be a useable diff file for it on the bottom anyway. I've made them the first gift for monks (as monks, and vegetarian monks in particular, can find increasing strength difficult), and made them lawful (so that only dwarves and humans can get them from their original gods). One problem is that it can make lawful Valkyries easier to play, but they're not so easy as to lose their challenge. > so you don't always get good weapons but are running around in the Castle with > elvish mithril). AFAICT, the main challenge for a monk is the difficulties caused by wearing body armour. I haven't got enough experience with them. Anything which affects that restriction would have to be examined very carefully for balance issues. kwaheri, Kieron (reverse username to reply) diff -cr nethack-3.3.0/include/artilist.h nethack-3.3.x/include/artilist.h *** nethack-3.3.0/include/artilist.h Sat Dec 11 05:20:50 1999 --- nethack-3.3.x/include/artilist.h Thu May 25 15:31:50 2000 *************** *** 135,140 **** --- 135,146 ---- (SPFX_RESTR|SPFX_DFLAG2), 0, M2_UNDEAD, PHYS(5,0), DFNS(AD_BLND), NO_CARY, 0, A_LAWFUL, 0 ), + /* KD A glove artefact for the monks, albeit one whose special power isn't listed here */ + + A("Gauntlets of Might", GAUNTLETS_OF_POWER, + SPFX_RESTR, 0, 0, + NO_ATTK, NO_DFNS, NO_CARY, 0, A_LAWFUL, PM_MONK), + /* * The artifacts for the quest dungeon, all self-willed. */ *** nethack-3.3.0/src/spell.c Sat Dec 11 05:20:56 1999 --- nethack-3.3.x/src/spell.c Thu May 25 21:18:02 2000 *************** *** 1054,1060 **** if (uarmh && is_metallic(uarmh) && uarmh->otyp != HELM_OF_BRILLIANCE) splcaster += uarmhbon; ! if (uarmg && is_metallic(uarmg)) splcaster += uarmgbon; if (uarmf && is_metallic(uarmf)) splcaster += uarmfbon; if (spellid(spell) == urole.spelspec) --- 1054,1062 ---- if (uarmh && is_metallic(uarmh) && uarmh->otyp != HELM_OF_BRILLIANCE) splcaster += uarmhbon; ! /* KD Special exemption for Gauntlets of Might */ ! if (uarmg && is_metallic(uarmg) && uarmg->oartifact != ART_GAUNTLETS_OF_MIGHT) ! splcaster += uarmgbon; if (uarmf && is_metallic(uarmf)) splcaster += uarmfbon; if (spellid(spell) == urole.spelspec)